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*** '''Collection of Future Texts in TC'''  
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***'''We need more derivational tags!'''
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*'''Here''' we have: låjdå'''sti'''-t:  -'''sti'''- '''momentane''' - something done only once [http://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34717 Finland Forum] - and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentane Wikipedia]:
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"In Finnish grammar, the momentane is a verb aspect indicating that an occurrence is sudden
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and short-lived. [...] Verbs with momentane markers are considered independent words,
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and native speakers rarely analyze them, but do synthesize them. Often the parent verb
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is not in use, leaving only the derived forms such as the momentane."
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These words cover Sami, too. ([[User:Kristin|Kristin]] 21:41, 9 January 2009 (CET))<br.>
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<Phrase>4076</Phrase>
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*'''Here''' we have: baje-'''di'''-htte: ''up'' '''Nspat > V''' ''rise'' ([[User:Kristin|Kristin]] 16:57, 9 January 2009 (CET))
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<Phrase>5749</Phrase>
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*** '''Collection of texts that may be used in TC''' (I lost a link... the search did not feel waisted when I did this work... ([[User:Kristin|Kristin]] 13:33, 10 January 2009 (CET)))
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11402 - Ájnas ahte nuoraj jiedna gullu (2008-01-18)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12717 Ánndaris – julevsáme lestadianasárnnediddje (2008-10-26)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7778 Birgit Cup 2006 (2006-07-13)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=3400 DálvveLAN (2005-02-21)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5594 DSJ'a ådå jådediddje (2005-11-01)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7509 Dán máno sábme - biehtsemáno (2006-06-03)]
  
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1847 Dán máno sábme – gålgådismánno (2004-10-04)]
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1847 Dán máno sábme – gålgådismánno (2004-10-04)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1328 Kråvnnåprinssa Árranin bårggemáno 24. biejve  (2004-08-30)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=800 Dán máno sábme - snjilltjamánno (2004-07-05)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6334 Roandem, goalmát biejve (2006-01-24)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10013 Dán máno sábme - snjuktjamánno (2007-02-28)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=3882 Nuorra ja vájmmel (2005-04-12)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6173 Dán máno sábme - ådåjakmánno 2006 (2006-01-07)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=2698 Databerustibme (2004-12-20)]
  
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4347 Divtasvuonas ådå tjiektje Sáme rijkkajuohkusij (2005-05-26)]   
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4347 Divtasvuonas ådå tjiektje Sáme rijkkajuohkusij (2005-05-26)]   
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5058 Ådå skåvllåjahke (2005-08-29)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4100 Doajmmel biebmujn ja spellamijn (2005-04-28)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=3400 DálvveLAN (2005-02-21)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1068 Galggá lávllot kråvnnåprinssaj (2004-08-03)] 
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12766 Inga Karlsen demenssabálkáv oadtju (2008-10-29)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1118 Gáppte, internæhtta ja Caffe latte (2004-08-05)]  
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12717 Ánndaris – julevsáme lestadianasárnnediddje (2008-10-26)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=864 Giessebarggo Sáme Rádioan (2004-07-20)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=800 Dán máno sábme - snjilltjamánno]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10929 Gåktu lij nuoraj konferánssa Bådådjon? (2007-08-15)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10929 Gåktu lij nuoraj konferánssa Bådådjon?]  
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4888 Hellmocuppa 2005 (2005-07-25)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=8168 Sáme giellaåhpadusstipænnda ja Doarjja dåjmajda ma giellaanov måvtåstuhtti Nordlándan]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7814 Hellmocuppa 2006 (2006-07-24)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10982 Hellmocuhppa (2007-08-28)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12766 Inga Karlsen demenssabálkáv oadtju (2008-10-29)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11534 Jahke lånudimoahppen (2008-02-12)]
 
   
 
   
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10008&PHPSESSID=17fe26f65202b167bc4b38320bebebc9 Dán máno sábme - snjuktjamánno]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1554 Jahke Tysklándan (2004-09-13)]  
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11507 Sámij álmmukbiejvve-ávvudallam 2008 Bådådjon]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6105 Javllahálmugijt tiesstip (2005-12-26)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11548 Åhpadusfálaldahka - media ja guládallam]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4462 Jåhkåmåhkes Ájluoktaj (2005-06-07)]  
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7249 Sidá gus dån sáme oahpestiddjen liehket?]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=774 Klássamanno Stockhoalmmaj (2004-06-22)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1714 Sidá gus CD'av viddnit?]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=598 Kretsrájddo Sálton 2004 (2004-05-24)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1328 Kråvnnåprinssa Árranin bårggemáno 24. biejve  (2004-08-30)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12088 Liddno Adventures – nuora álgadiddje Divtasvuonas (2008-06-16)]
  
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9881 Marita sáme rijkatjiektjamjuohkusin (2007-02-19)]
 
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9881 Marita sáme rijkatjiektjamjuohkusin (2007-02-19)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11844 Sidá gus ålggorijkan studerit?]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=10669 Miellagiddis jahke Edinburgh:an (2007-05-22)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5538 Miriram sámedikken (2005-10-26)]
  
[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1118 Gáppte, internæhtta ja Caffe latte]  
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=2328 Norlánda fylka sámekoferánssa 2004 (2004-11-17)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6013&PHPSESSID=11eb7a7f88829255db395d4080b20131 Presentasjåvnnå:]  
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9171 Niehko guodtjasij (2007-01-19)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12430&PHPSESSID=daeadeebaa7ca1af4074ea5dd1694c10 Sámegiella gållegiella]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=3882 Nuorra ja vájmmel (2005-04-12)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5304 Orkána båssun Sandra sijddabájken (2005-09-29)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6013&PHPSESSID=11eb7a7f88829255db395d4080b20131 Presentasjåvnnå: (2005-12-15)] 
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6334 Roandem, goalmát biejve (2006-01-24)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7203 Russeájgge l boahtám! (2006-05-03)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6527 Sáme álmmukbiejvve (2006-02-09)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=863 Sáme Cup 2004 (2004-07-13)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=8168 Sáme giellaåhpadusstipænnda ja Doarjja dåjmajda ma giellaanov måvtåstuhtti Nordlándan (2006-09-14)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12430&PHPSESSID=daeadeebaa7ca1af4074ea5dd1694c10 Sámegiella gållegiella (2008-09-08)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9979 Sámenuora Sálton (2007-02-24)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11507 Sámij álmmukbiejvve-ávvudallam 2008 Bådådjon (2008-02-06)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=1714 Sidá gus CD'av viddnit? (2004-09-22)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=685 Sidá gus dån liehket sáme oahpestiddjen? (2004-06-06)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=7249 Sidá gus dån sáme oahpestiddjen liehket? (2005-05-25)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11844 Sidá gus ålggorijkan studerit? (2008-04-08)] 
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=6668 Temábiejvve (2006-02-27)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=9974 Ungáralasj sihta sábmen sjaddat (2007-02-23)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/category.php?categoryID=328 Vuossamanne (2004-04-23)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=12424 Æjvvalimsadje sáme nuorajda (2008-09-03)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=4462 -Ælla miján gássjelisvuoda mobijlajn (2005-10-04)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=5058 Ådå skåvllåjahke (2005-08-29)]
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[http://www.infonuorra.no/article.php?articleID=11548 Åhpadusfálaldahka - media ja guládallam (2008-02-14)]
  
***'''We need more''' derivational tags!
 
  
*Here we have: låjdå'''sti'''-t:  -'''sti'''- '''momentane''' - something done only once [http://www.finlandforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=34717 Finland Forum] - and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Momentane Wikipedia]: <br.>
 
"In Finnish grammar, the momentane is a verb aspect indicating that an occurrence is sudden
 
and short-lived. [...] Verbs with momentane markers are considered independent words,
 
and native speakers rarely analyze them, but do synthesize them. Often the parent verb
 
is not in use, leaving only the derived forms such as the momentane."
 
These words cover Sami, too. ([[User:Kristin|Kristin]] 21:41, 9 January 2009 (CET))<br.>
 
<Phrase>4076</Phrase>
 
*Here we have: baje-'''di'''-htte: ''up'' '''Nspat > V''' ''rise'' ([[User:Kristin|Kristin]] 16:57, 9 January 2009 (CET)) <br.>
 
<Phrase>5749</Phrase>
 
 
***''' Context for poem bajedihtte'''
 
***''' Context for poem bajedihtte'''
  

Latest revision as of 20:00, 18 February 2016

      • We need more derivational tags!
"In Finnish grammar, the momentane is a verb aspect indicating that an occurrence is sudden 
and short-lived. [...] Verbs with momentane markers are considered independent words, 
and native speakers rarely analyze them, but do synthesize them. Often the parent verb 
is not in use, leaving only the derived forms such as the momentane."

These words cover Sami, too. (Kristin 21:41, 9 January 2009 (CET))<br.>

  • Here we have: baje-di-htte: up Nspat > V rise (Kristin 16:57, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • Collection of texts that may be used in TC (I lost a link... the search did not feel waisted when I did this work... (Kristin 13:33, 10 January 2009 (CET)))

- Ájnas ahte nuoraj jiedna gullu (2008-01-18)

Ánndaris – julevsáme lestadianasárnnediddje (2008-10-26)

Birgit Cup 2006 (2006-07-13)

DálvveLAN (2005-02-21)

DSJ'a ådå jådediddje (2005-11-01)

Dán máno sábme - biehtsemáno (2006-06-03)

Dán máno sábme – gålgådismánno (2004-10-04)

Dán máno sábme - snjilltjamánno (2004-07-05)

Dán máno sábme - snjuktjamánno (2007-02-28)

Dán máno sábme - ådåjakmánno 2006 (2006-01-07)

Databerustibme (2004-12-20)

Divtasvuonas ådå tjiektje Sáme rijkkajuohkusij (2005-05-26)

Doajmmel biebmujn ja spellamijn (2005-04-28)

Galggá lávllot kråvnnåprinssaj (2004-08-03)

Gáppte, internæhtta ja Caffe latte (2004-08-05)

Giessebarggo Sáme Rádioan (2004-07-20)

Gåktu lij nuoraj konferánssa Bådådjon? (2007-08-15)

Hellmocuppa 2005 (2005-07-25)

Hellmocuppa 2006 (2006-07-24)

Hellmocuhppa (2007-08-28)

Inga Karlsen demenssabálkáv oadtju (2008-10-29)

Jahke lånudimoahppen (2008-02-12)

Jahke Tysklándan (2004-09-13)

Javllahálmugijt tiesstip (2005-12-26)

Jåhkåmåhkes Ájluoktaj (2005-06-07)

Klássamanno Stockhoalmmaj (2004-06-22)

Kretsrájddo Sálton 2004 (2004-05-24)

Kråvnnåprinssa Árranin bårggemáno 24. biejve (2004-08-30)

Liddno Adventures – nuora álgadiddje Divtasvuonas (2008-06-16)

Marita sáme rijkatjiektjamjuohkusin (2007-02-19)

Miellagiddis jahke Edinburgh:an (2007-05-22)

Miriram sámedikken (2005-10-26)

Norlánda fylka sámekoferánssa 2004 (2004-11-17)

Niehko guodtjasij (2007-01-19)

Nuorra ja vájmmel (2005-04-12)

Orkána båssun Sandra sijddabájken (2005-09-29)

Presentasjåvnnå: (2005-12-15)

Roandem, goalmát biejve (2006-01-24)

Russeájgge l boahtám! (2006-05-03)

Sáme álmmukbiejvve (2006-02-09)

Sáme Cup 2004 (2004-07-13)

Sáme giellaåhpadusstipænnda ja Doarjja dåjmajda ma giellaanov måvtåstuhtti Nordlándan (2006-09-14)

Sámegiella gållegiella (2008-09-08)

Sámenuora Sálton (2007-02-24)

Sámij álmmukbiejvve-ávvudallam 2008 Bådådjon (2008-02-06)

Sidá gus CD'av viddnit? (2004-09-22)

Sidá gus dån liehket sáme oahpestiddjen? (2004-06-06)

Sidá gus dån sáme oahpestiddjen liehket? (2005-05-25)

Sidá gus ålggorijkan studerit? (2008-04-08)

Temábiejvve (2006-02-27)

Ungáralasj sihta sábmen sjaddat (2007-02-23)

Vuossamanne (2004-04-23)

Æjvvalimsadje sáme nuorajda (2008-09-03)

-Ælla miján gássjelisvuoda mobijlajn (2005-10-04)

Ådå skåvllåjahke (2005-08-29)

Åhpadusfálaldahka - media ja guládallam (2008-02-14)


      • Context for poem bajedihtte

Does this look ok? I have copied the TEXT in the Text editor:

Stig Gælok Urheim

tsåhke ja vájmmo <br.> (page 86)

Th. Blaasværs Forlag 1994 <br.> © Stig Riemmbe Gælok


bajedihtte <br.> åjvijgihtte <br.> ja bigodihtte <br.> sliehpájdihtte <br.>


Translation__________________________Kristin Lindbach

rise <br.> your heads <br.> and discover <br.> your chest cloths* <br.>

  • "sliehppa" is a part of the traditional costume, a chest cloth covering the opening in the front.<br.> See photo at <br.>

http://www.typecraft.org/tc2wiki/User:Svennegil (Kristin 11:17, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • IMPORTANT: Adequacy of the following poem

"Vuonak": vuonaga li nievres ulmutja

  • Svenn Egil: DETTE DIKTET SYNES JEG IKKE PASSER PÅ TC. Det er en del personangrep mot en spesiell slekt i Sverige. Anbefaler derfor at diktet strykes fra denne listen.
  • Yes, that sounds like a good reason to take this poem out of the list. Could you please briefly talk with Kristin

about this. (Dorothee 13:25, 27 November 2008 (CET))

  • I do not agree<br.>

The poem goes:

the fjordlanders are bad people <br.> they explained <br.> their life was so much better <br.> they believed

old people's thoughts <br.> and theirs who live <br.> on the other side of the wound <br.> the iron breasts have cut <br.> into our mountains

a fjordlander am I <br.> raised on mutton <br.> and pollock

a fjordlander

This poem says something about the feelings a fjordlander gets when Samis on the other side of the border - the inlanders - are debasing his way of life - because it is strange for them.

This poem shows a part of the Sami culture that is the reality for many Samis, not only the fjordlanders in Tysfjord.

The poem says nothing about a particular family.

The poem carries a universal theme that everyone can understand.

What is not so easy to understand, is the iron breasts. I believe it is the railway from Narvik to Kiruna he is thinking about. (Kristin 12:30, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • "Niellja álmmuksubttsasa: Giehttjit áddjá goaden

[Nordic folk tale] Translated material used in Bruce Morén’s project in phonology"

  • Denne delen tar ikke Bruce ansvar for. Han har bare digitalisert teksten fra en bok gitt ut gjennom et forlag sørpå. Jeg tror ikke vi har noen rettigheter. (Svenn-Egil)
  • Ok, good to know. I think we should asked Bruce which kind of permission was needed for him. As far a I know one also needs to get a permission from the publisher

when one digitalizes text from a book. (Dorothee 10:46, 26 November 2008 (CET))

  • Tillatelsene skulle vel være i orden nå for det skriftlige materialet? (Kristin 12:40, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • Please look that he following entry repeated below:
"Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto, from the local newspaper"
  • I assume that Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto is the name of the newspaper. Hm... It would be good

to say in which town or 'kommune' the newspaper is published. Lokalavis for Hamarøy, Steigen og Tysfjord

Also in the following entry we mention a 'local' newspaper, but again it would be better to say where the newspaper is published Lokalavis for Hamarøy, Steigen og Tysfjord

  • Lokalavisa NordSalten/Bájkkeávijssa NuorttaSállto is the name of the weekly paper. We could add that it covers the area North Salten, which is the municipalities Hamarøy, Tysfjord and Steigen. (Kristin 12:40, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • Låjdåstibme Marriage -- Advertisement in a local newspaper by Kirsti Guvsám
  • ? Finner ikke teksten
  • uups! - I will fix it! (Kristin 12:50, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • See also the following entry below:
  • Is Life and Time really the translation of "Viessom" ? as in:

Viessom: Bivddo stuorra nuorreiellijs "Life and Time": The catching of large sea mammals Exibition text from the Arran Lule Sami Centre Museum, www.arran.no

  • Ja, jeg mener det. Viessom betyr: liv, livsstil, livsførsel; levetid; tilværelse; livsform, levemåte, jf. iellem


      • I found in one of the entries the following:

nom > jákta, gen > jávta, = jekt (seilfartøy) jacht convoy

  • I am not so sure what is meant with jacht convoy something having to do with hunting perhaps?
  • Jekt (seilfartøy) i denne sammenhengen beskrives utstillingen, når datidens fiskebåter (seilfartøy) seilet sammet, som en slags konvoi, ut mot havet. Dette må vel kanskje oversettes til fiskebåt eller seilbåt. Det er i allefall flere fiskefartøyer med seil det er snakk om her.
    • Dette er ikke riktig. Ei jekt er et transportskip. Jektene ble brukt til å føre tørrfisk til Bergen og andre nødvendighetsvarer nordover. (Kristin 22:01, 9 January 2009 (CET))
  • A jekt is not possible to translate into English. We can compare it with the cog Photo og a cog 1 Photo of a cog 2 [ Bremen Cog model ship] used by the Hanseatic tradesmen, but there are many differences. (Kristin 12:59, 9 January 2009 (CET))


      • I never heard of a

Vet ikke helt hva det menes ? Finner ikke teksten.

Fishing pollock
  • what is that?  :o

(Dorothee 11:17, 26 November 2008 (CET))

  • It is called sei in Norwegian pollack It is also called saithe pollock (Kristin 12:50, 9 January 2009 (CET))