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Hi Kristin and Svenn Egil,
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Documenting Lule Sami is a pilot study for the in-depth manual annotation of written Lule Sami (for more information about the project itself see [[Annotation_of_representative_texts_from_Lule_Sami_-_An_NTNU_project]]). The study was conducted by [[User:Dorothee|Dorothee Beermann]] (see also [[About TypeCraft]]) at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology [http://www.ntnu.no/]. The project started in Mai 2008 and ended in December 2008. Under [[About Lule Sami]] you find a short introduction to the Lule Sami language; there you also find references to other relevant links about the Sami and their language.
  
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This will be our project page!!! (click back to ''article'')
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Lule Sami is a morphologically rich, highly inflected and very often fusional language which makes its in-depth morpho-syntactic annotation an interesting, yet at the same time a difficult and very time-consuming task. None of the texts we have collected has been annotated before, and since Lule Sami is, with fewer than 1,500 speakers in Norway and Sweden, of which only a few speak Lule Sami as their first language, one of the highly endangered languages in Europe, it is important that efforts in documenting Lule Sami are made now.
  
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It's purpose is ofc to report on the annotation of Lule Saami texts that we do, but written up in a way that it is interesting to all ppl interested in languages or Lule Saami or both.  
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Below we discuss some of the issues that were raised during the annotation process. 
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[[Image:The_inner_room.jpg|thumbnail|250px|right]]
  
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NOT JUST LINGUISTS
 
  
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We should make sure that this becomes a page that has information that cannot be found on the Wikipedia or any other well known web information source.
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Moreover, it should be interesting and beautiful information - so not too much text; instead some text made attractive by pictures, music files, cool links, and also with a internal link to your personal
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====Annotating Lule Sami - Questions and some answers====
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page in this TC wiki so that ppl can see who the ppl are that annotate Lule Saami... and so forth.
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Here now some links and text snippets that I found interesting in this connection:
 
  
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http://boreale.konto.itv.se/laante.htm
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=====Categories and Functions=====
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http://boreale.konto.itv.se/samieng1.htm
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'''ADJ and N'''
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Bluegreen: LuleSami.
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Mountain and ForestSami culture in Norway and Sweden, many
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Anders Kintel writes:
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famous handicrafters and chanters from this group, language is
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locally quite strong.
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'''"Vi gjør oppmerksom på at de fleste adjektiv i samisk kan også fungere som substantiv og også motsatt, derfor står det ikke alltid en markering bak ordet som tilsier at dette er et adjektiv eller et substantiv".'''
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Separate educational institutions with several textbooks in the
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language, but not for all subjects teached.
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Here a free translation:
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A small number of books are published each year in this language.
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Traditional and present day cultural center: Jokkmokk, Sweden.
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''We would like to draw attention to the fact that most adjectives in Sami can function as nouns, as well as nouns can function as adjectives; therefore not always a specification'' [n. or adj.] '' is given after the word that expresses that this is an adjective or a noun.''
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Kristin:
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Reference:
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We cannot use information that tells us that Lule Sami culture is a mountain and Forest Sami Culture in Norway! This concerns only Samis on the Swedish side of the border.
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Kintel A. ''Lulesamisk-norsk''. Ajluokta /Drag, Biehtsemanon 2005. Unpublished manuscript.
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An example of how we have annotated de-adjectival and other derivational lexemes comes from one of the texts from the TypeCraft database.
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In the example below we annotate ''vuorra'' meaning ''old'' on the POS tier as '''N''':
 
   
 
   
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On the Norwegian side of the border we find a Costal Sami culture - that differs from Costal Sami Culture further north!
 
  
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I can write shortly about this.
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<Phrase>4203</Phrase>
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In the case of ''vuorro'' we in fact do find derivational morphology. The -s in vuorra-s [vuorrasa] marks the noun as derived. The -s is followed by case inflection. Clearly, the function of ''vuorra'' is that of a noun, and accordingly it has been inflected for case.  
  
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In general we will assign POS categories according to the function that a word has in a given context. On the glossing tier we will in addition indicate the word's derivation. For example in cases where the suffix -s reflects nominalization, we will provide the ADJ-> N tag in the gloss line.
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Webmasters note:
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As a curiosity I'd like to mention that there's one Sami word that has made it into several of the major languages of this world, that word is Tundra -doesn't it speak volumes about which part of the world this is. :)
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Notice that we use the gloss tags '''ATT''' for attributive forms and '''PRED''' for predicative forms of the adjective. Some forms are equal morphologically, in this case we will only use the POS tier to indicate the adjective status.
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'''V > N'''
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(Kristin): I think it is NOT enough to annotate V > N, V > V, etc. We should mark every derivation with what kind of N derivation it is. I have written something about it below:
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In the phrase below the word for ''temptation'' is derived from the verb 'watch/look'', which in LS is ''gähttjalibmáj''. When we decompose this word we get: '''gæhttjat+V+TV+Der1+Der/l+V+Actio+Der2+Der/ibme+N+Sg+Ill'''
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Consider the following phrase:
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<Phrase>3066</Phrase>
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In descriptive Sami grammars the nominalizer ''li'' is called '''Actio'''. The nominalizer seems to be internally complex:
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'''-li-''' i '''gæhttja-li-t''' = subjunctive-FREQ
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(Dorothee) At this point it is not clear which subtypes of nominalizing suffixes we should distinguish. Should we for example introduce NMLZ.actio and other subtypes of nominalizer. How useful would that be?
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Perhaps we should wait until we have a clearer overview over which categories are needed, and try to use the tags of the type V>N etc. for the time being.
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'''V > Adj but how about ADJ->V'''
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In the phrase below we need the tag ADJ->V
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<Phrase>4763</Phrase>
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'''oahpásmuvvat''': '''oahpás-''' is an '''ADJ''' ('oahpás-' in compounds, 'oahpes' (ATT) otherwise)
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(Kristin): It should be possible to note somewhere that verb(s) can be derived from adjectives. Maybe there should be one more level for derivations only? Also, the translation is of no help: while '''oahpás-''' is an ADJ in ATT form, '''known''' is a V in PERF.PART form. Translation gives us only sketchy semantics. 
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(Dorothee): '''UPS''' yes, we need the tag ADJ->V
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'''PRON.POSS vs. PRON'''
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<Phrase>3039</Phrase>
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Above is a nominal construction where the possessive pronoun follows the noun.
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Possessive pronouns may also precede the noun.
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Question:
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Are both syntactic pattern in free distribution?
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Is one of the two constructions preferred? So do we find one of the constructions more often in our texts?
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Why really should we use only PRON when the possessive is used attributive, but PRON.POSS when it is used as modifier?.
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=====VERBAL FORMS=====
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======more verbal tags...======
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While annotating verb forms in Lule Sami we noticed that TypeCraft did not provide all the tags we
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needed. In the following we exemplify some of the verb forms, and discuss the right use of tags.
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Please see the updated list of gloss tags [[Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/]] ([[User:Dorothee|Dorothee]] 15:51, 15 December 2008 (CET))
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'''GERUND'''
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we need two tags for two distinct gerunds:
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'''Gerund I'''
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expresses: 'while'..., 'at the same time as'... Gerund I expresses the partial overlap of two events.
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sån oaddá-j bårå-'''dijn'''      = he fell asleep while eating
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jåhte-t -> jåde'''-dijn'''        = while moving
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tjieggi-t -> tjieggi'''-dijn'''  = while traveling
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tjåhkani-t -> tjåhkana'''-ttjin'''= while assembling
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Note:
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'''-dijn''' is used after the last vowel of the week stem of a pair-syllabic verb or after the last vowel of the stem of a contracted verb.
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'''-ttjin'''is used after the last vowel of an unpair-syllabic verb (the last stem vowel changes to '-a').
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'''Gerund II'''
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expresses: someone is doing something, or something is going on, or something has started but is not finished.
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The Gerund II is build through the use of the auxiliary '''liehke-t''' (to be).
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sån '''la''' låhkå'''-min''' = he is reading
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'''-min''' - used after the last vowel of the strong stem of a pair-syllabic verb
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Ex: sån '''la''' goarro'''-min''' (= she is sewing)
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- used after the last vowel of a contract verb:
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Ex: sån '''la''' guolli'''-min''' (= she is fishing)
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''' -me''' - used after the last vowel of an unpair-syllabic verb
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Ex: sån '''la''' malesti'''-me''' (= he is cooking)  (all examples from Spiik) (Kristin)
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'''Imperative'''
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Also here we need two distinct tags to distinguish between
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'''IMP.1'''  which expresses a direct order.
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'''IMP.2'''  which expresses a strong wish or suggestion
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'''INCHOATIVE'''
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In the gloss tier we need a tag for inchoative verbs. Here an example:
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<Phrase>4785</Phrase>
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'''oaddá'''-t er '''inchoative''' of '''oade'''-t.
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Done. Look at [[Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/]] ([[User:Dorothee|Dorothee]] 14:20, 15 December 2008 (CET))
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Phonologically inchoatives are marked by a fortification of the consonant cluster and lengthening of the last vowel in the stem.
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'''NEGATIVE VERBS'''
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The tag '''Vneg''' in the POS tier is needed. Please see the list of gloss tags [[Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/]]
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=====Supinum=====
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<Phrase>3575</Phrase>
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How should one annotate the suffix '''-tji''' in the above sentence.
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[[User:Kristin]] had suggested to use 'supinum'. The supinum is one of the infinite forms of LS next to the infinitive, the gerund, the participle and possibly others. In the examples above the suffix '''-tji''' was first annotated as supinum and the the -t as an infinitive marker, which did not
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make to much sense. [[User:Kristin]]  then suggested that 'supinum' is '''tjit''' and as such an infinite marker. At present we have an annotation as shown in the example above. 
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The examples below illustrates the supinum
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Ex: "Dån la má smidá '''váttsá-tjit'''!" - "You are clever '''at walking'''!" 
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It seems that most instances of infinitives so far occur after modal verbs, yet here seems to be a different case:
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<Phrase>3663</Phrase>
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How should one really annnotate that one? ([[User:Dorothee|Dorothee]] 16:35, 15 December 2008 (CET))
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'''Derivational or inflectional ??'''
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We would like to mention that the '''supinum''' is characterised as a  derivational suffix in descriptive grammars of LS. It is mentioned among the '''ordavledninger''', the Norwegian word for word derivation.
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'''Strong and weak verb stems'''
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Verbs in LS can either have a weak or a strong stem, so for example the verb ''wash''  which has two stem forms
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'''''basá'' and '' bassi'''''
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the 1P, present tense is expressed as '''basá-v''' while the 1P past tense is '''bassi-v'''.
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We will use the tag '''WEAK''' and '''STRONG''' to distinguish these two different types of verb stems.
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====Grammatical Changes====
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LS is changing...
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<Phrase>4763</Phrase>
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'''oahpásmuvvat doarromuseajn'''
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According to grammars of LS  - oahpásmuvvat takes '''ILL''', but in the example sentence above it is used with a '''COMIT'''
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case. This leads to a change in meaning:
 
   
 
   
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- '''muvva-t''': used with '''ILL''': the meaning is: get to know (people and concrete things), get accustomed to, get experience with, get familiar with. 
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When Nils-Aslak Valkeapää in his book The Sun—my Father (1991), chooses to create a metaphorical poem of a migrating herd of reindeer and uses [in his poem] some of the wealth of names that exist in Sami to describe the reindeer’s appearance, age and sex, he does so not only to demonstrate the wealth of terminology within the Sami language—he does something beyond that: He plays with the language, conjuring up concepts that have never been used before in that fashion. He conceives, in a sense, new fictional animals by combining familiar words in new ways. And he creates different reindeer which, in terms of their being a part of the herd or outside of it, can easily be viewed as parallels to the artist and his or her position in society, as well as to all human beings in their common experiences of being part of a "flock" or alone.
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(- '''tuvva-t''' used with '''COMIT''' the meaning is: learn to know).  (Kristin)
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====Translation of place names====
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In English (as in other languages too - but not so much in Norwegian..) it is quite normal to translate proper names, e.g. München > Munich, Firenze > Florence, København > Copenhagen, etc.
  
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To this wealth of words can be added a great number of Sami onomatopoetical expressions for sounds pertaining to migration, words for working the herd, for the baying of dogs,and the sounds of a thousand hoofs on frozen ground, for undulating moors over which reindeer horns move, for the sound of bells that, like a blanket of clouds, lift the sky up and give the basis for life in these northern regions. And, as if that isn’t enough, there are allusions to the Sami national anthem, and tracks left behind by the herd, both concrete tracks where it has walked and abstract tracks for us, the readers, to follow back into history. Whether we journey with the herd or only pass by it as we wander, it is impossible for us to survive into the future without the tracks, without nature: The River of Life, the daughter of spring, sap, the mosquito maidens and "the sun/red and warm/moved happiness/ into the morning." Because "nothing remains of us/but a yoik in the singing wind/a dream about being." But even so: "and time does not exist, no end, none/and time is, eternal, always, is," and we are all part of "the life’s circle/infinite/without/beginning/or end/fulfills/changes/colors"…"the horizon’s red dawn/ the starry peaks."
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Lule Sami place names have been translated into Norwegian, such as:
  
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'''Ájluokta-Drag''';  '''Gásluokta-Kjøpsvik''';  '''Guovdageaidnu-Kautokeino''';  '''Divttasvuodna-Tysfjord''', etc.
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At the beginning it might be confusing to edit this wiki, but I can tell you that one learns it rather fast :=)
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In Norway place names have officially a Sami and a Norwegian name, and the Sami name is used when writing in Sami, while the Norwegian one is used when writing in Norwegian.
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As for free translation into English this could mean that we either use the Sami name, since we translate from Sami, or that
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'''Which one should it be?'''
  
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====SÁMI - SAMI - SAAMI====
  
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'''"This long history and the fact that they are usually not mutually intelligible makes them different languages, not different dialects as they are often mistakenly described." '''
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(Kristin): I just talked with the employee at the museum at Arran who has the responsibility for the exibitions, Anne Kalstad Mikkelsen. She has checked '''the spelling''' of '''sáme''' with the Norvegian Sami Parliament. The Sami Parliament has decided that '''sáme''' is to be written '''Sami''' in English. So the museum has to follow this norm.
  
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It seems that the referent of the demonstrative is 'Saami languages', but that did not come out well I think.
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So - we should then follow the same norm! (Shouldn't we?) 
  
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It would be nice though to get an answer to the question, why LS is called a language rather than a dialect of Saami!
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(Dorothee): Definitely !

Latest revision as of 21:57, 7 October 2015

Documenting Lule Sami is a pilot study for the in-depth manual annotation of written Lule Sami (for more information about the project itself see Annotation_of_representative_texts_from_Lule_Sami_-_An_NTNU_project). The study was conducted by Dorothee Beermann (see also About TypeCraft) at the Norwegian University of Science and Technology [1]. The project started in Mai 2008 and ended in December 2008. Under About Lule Sami you find a short introduction to the Lule Sami language; there you also find references to other relevant links about the Sami and their language.

Lule Sami is a morphologically rich, highly inflected and very often fusional language which makes its in-depth morpho-syntactic annotation an interesting, yet at the same time a difficult and very time-consuming task. None of the texts we have collected has been annotated before, and since Lule Sami is, with fewer than 1,500 speakers in Norway and Sweden, of which only a few speak Lule Sami as their first language, one of the highly endangered languages in Europe, it is important that efforts in documenting Lule Sami are made now.

Below we discuss some of the issues that were raised during the annotation process.

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Annotating Lule Sami - Questions and some answers

Categories and Functions

ADJ and N

Anders Kintel writes:

"Vi gjør oppmerksom på at de fleste adjektiv i samisk kan også fungere som substantiv og også motsatt, derfor står det ikke alltid en markering bak ordet som tilsier at dette er et adjektiv eller et substantiv".

Here a free translation:

We would like to draw attention to the fact that most adjectives in Sami can function as nouns, as well as nouns can function as adjectives; therefore not always a specification [n. or adj.] is given after the word that expresses that this is an adjective or a noun.

Reference: Kintel A. Lulesamisk-norsk. Ajluokta /Drag, Biehtsemanon 2005. Unpublished manuscript.


An example of how we have annotated de-adjectival and other derivational lexemes comes from one of the texts from the TypeCraft database.

In the example below we annotate vuorra meaning old on the POS tier as N:


Várrá vuolgget, guollit ja vuorrasij siegen tjåhkkåhit ja gulldalit gå subtsasti…
“Walk the mountains, go fishing, and sit with the elders listening to their stories... ”
Várrá
várrá
mountainNOMSG
N
vuolgget
vuolgget
goINF
Vitr
guollit
guollit
fishN>VINF
Vitr
ja
ja
and
CONJC
vuorrasij
vuorrasij
old GENPL
N
siegen
siegen
withINESSSG
Nspat
tjåhkkåhit
tjåhkkåhit
sitDURINF
Vitr
ja
ja
and
CONJC
gulldalit
gulldalit
listenDURINF
 
gå
gå
when
COMP
subtsasti…
subtsasti…
taleN>V3PLPRES
Vitr

In the case of vuorro we in fact do find derivational morphology. The -s in vuorra-s [vuorrasa] marks the noun as derived. The -s is followed by case inflection. Clearly, the function of vuorra is that of a noun, and accordingly it has been inflected for case.

In general we will assign POS categories according to the function that a word has in a given context. On the glossing tier we will in addition indicate the word's derivation. For example in cases where the suffix -s reflects nominalization, we will provide the ADJ-> N tag in the gloss line.


Notice that we use the gloss tags ATT for attributive forms and PRED for predicative forms of the adjective. Some forms are equal morphologically, in this case we will only use the POS tier to indicate the adjective status.


V > N (Kristin): I think it is NOT enough to annotate V > N, V > V, etc. We should mark every derivation with what kind of N derivation it is. I have written something about it below:

In the phrase below the word for temptation is derived from the verb 'watch/look, which in LS is gähttjalibmáj. When we decompose this word we get: gæhttjat+V+TV+Der1+Der/l+V+Actio+Der2+Der/ibme+N+Sg+Ill

Consider the following phrase:

Ja ale mijáv gæhttjalibmáj lájddi, ájnat várjjala mijáv bahás.
“And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: ”
Ja
ja
and
CONJC
ale
ale
notIMP2SG
 
mijáv
mijávv
us1PLACC
PN
gæhttjalibmáj
gæhttjalibmáj
watch/lookDIMFREQV>NILLSG
N
lájddi
lájddi
leadIMP2SG
Vtr
ájnat
ájnat
but
CONJS
várjjala
várjjala
deliverIMP2SG
 
mijáv
mijáv
us1PLACC
PN
bahás
bahás
evilELATSG
N

In descriptive Sami grammars the nominalizer li is called Actio. The nominalizer seems to be internally complex: -li- i gæhttja-li-t = subjunctive-FREQ

(Dorothee) At this point it is not clear which subtypes of nominalizing suffixes we should distinguish. Should we for example introduce NMLZ.actio and other subtypes of nominalizer. How useful would that be? Perhaps we should wait until we have a clearer overview over which categories are needed, and try to use the tags of the type V>N etc. for the time being.


V > Adj but how about ADJ->V

In the phrase below we need the tag ADJ->V

Dá bale bessin oahppe vehi oahpásmuvvat doarromuseajn Narvijkan ja sáme ásadusáj Jåhkåmåhken åvdås vádtsájin.
“ ”
Dá
dá
theseNOMPL
DEM
bale
bale
timeGENSG
N
bessin
bessin
be_allowed3PLPAST
Vitr
oahppe
oahppe
pupilNOMPL
N
vehi
vehi
little
ADVm
oahpásmuvvat
oahpásmuvvat
  get_to_beINF
Vtr
doarromuseajn
doarromuseajn
warNOMSGmuseumwithCOMITSG
N
Narvijkan
Narvijkan
NarvikatINESSSG
Np
ja
ja
and
CONJC
sáme
sáme
SaamiGENSG
N
ásadusáj
ásadusáj
arrangemetmedCOMITPL
N
Jåhkåmåhken
Jåhkåmåhken
river_bendatINESSSG
Np
åvdås
åvdås
before
 
vádtsájin
vádtsájin
leave3PLPAST
Vitr

oahpásmuvvat: oahpás- is an ADJ ('oahpás-' in compounds, 'oahpes' (ATT) otherwise)

(Kristin): It should be possible to note somewhere that verb(s) can be derived from adjectives. Maybe there should be one more level for derivations only? Also, the translation is of no help: while oahpás- is an ADJ in ATT form, known is a V in PERF.PART form. Translation gives us only sketchy semantics.

(Dorothee): UPS yes, we need the tag ADJ->V


PRON.POSS vs. PRON

Áhttje mijá guhti le almen.
“Our Father which art in Heaven,”
Áhttje
áhttje
fatherNOMSG
N
mijá
mij
ourGENPL
PN
guhti
guhti
whoNOMSG
PROint
le
le
is3SGPRES
COP
almen
almen
heaveninINESSSG
N

Above is a nominal construction where the possessive pronoun follows the noun. Possessive pronouns may also precede the noun.

Question: Are both syntactic pattern in free distribution? Is one of the two constructions preferred? So do we find one of the constructions more often in our texts?

Why really should we use only PRON when the possessive is used attributive, but PRON.POSS when it is used as modifier?.

VERBAL FORMS
more verbal tags...

While annotating verb forms in Lule Sami we noticed that TypeCraft did not provide all the tags we needed. In the following we exemplify some of the verb forms, and discuss the right use of tags.

Please see the updated list of gloss tags Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/ (Dorothee 15:51, 15 December 2008 (CET))

GERUND we need two tags for two distinct gerunds:

Gerund I

expresses: 'while'..., 'at the same time as'... Gerund I expresses the partial overlap of two events.

sån oaddá-j bårå-dijn = he fell asleep while eating

jåhte-t -> jåde-dijn = while moving

tjieggi-t -> tjieggi-dijn = while traveling

tjåhkani-t -> tjåhkana-ttjin= while assembling

Note: -dijn is used after the last vowel of the week stem of a pair-syllabic verb or after the last vowel of the stem of a contracted verb. -ttjinis used after the last vowel of an unpair-syllabic verb (the last stem vowel changes to '-a').

Gerund II

expresses: someone is doing something, or something is going on, or something has started but is not finished. The Gerund II is build through the use of the auxiliary liehke-t (to be).

sån la låhkå-min = he is reading

-min - used after the last vowel of the strong stem of a pair-syllabic verb

Ex: sån la goarro-min (= she is sewing)

- used after the last vowel of a contract verb:

Ex: sån la guolli-min (= she is fishing)

-me - used after the last vowel of an unpair-syllabic verb

Ex: sån la malesti-me (= he is cooking) (all examples from Spiik) (Kristin)

Imperative

Also here we need two distinct tags to distinguish between

IMP.1 which expresses a direct order.

IMP.2 which expresses a strong wish or suggestion


INCHOATIVE

In the gloss tier we need a tag for inchoative verbs. Here an example:

Hyhto sisi manájma ja jus riekta de oaddát galgajma, valla ejma ájn ájgo.
“We went inside the cabin and, if doing right, then we would go to sleep, but we did not yet intend to do that.”
Hyhto
hyhto
cabinGENSG
N
sisi
sisi
insideILLSG
Nspat
manájma
manájma
goPAST1PL
Vitr
ja
ja
and
CONJC
jus
jus
if
CONJS
riekta
riekta
right
ADVm
de
de
then
CONJS
oaddát
oaddát
sleepINCEPINF
Vitr
galgajma
galgajma
shallPAST1PL
AUX
valla
valla
but
CONJC
ejma
ejma
notNEGPAST1PL
Vtr
ájn
ájn
yet
ADVtemp
ájgo
ájgo
intendNEG
PTCP

oaddá-t er inchoative of oade-t.

Done. Look at Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/ (Dorothee 14:20, 15 December 2008 (CET))

Phonologically inchoatives are marked by a fortification of the consonant cluster and lengthening of the last vowel in the stem.

NEGATIVE VERBS

The tag Vneg in the POS tier is needed. Please see the list of gloss tags Special:TypeCraft/GlossTags/

Supinum
Iŋŋgá: Mån dal biejav mállásav duoldatjit.
“Inggá: I now put the dinner to cook.”
Iŋŋga:
Iŋŋgá:
Inggá:NOMSG
Np
Mån
mån
I1SGNOM
PN
dal
dal
now
ADVtemp
biejav
biejav
put1SGPRES
Vtr
mállásav
mállásav
dinnerACCSG
N
duoldatjit
duoldatjit
cookforINF
V


How should one annotate the suffix -tji in the above sentence. User:Kristin had suggested to use 'supinum'. The supinum is one of the infinite forms of LS next to the infinitive, the gerund, the participle and possibly others. In the examples above the suffix -tji was first annotated as supinum and the the -t as an infinitive marker, which did not make to much sense. User:Kristin then suggested that 'supinum' is tjit and as such an infinite marker. At present we have an annotation as shown in the example above.

The examples below illustrates the supinum

Ex: "Dån la má smidá váttsá-tjit!" - "You are clever at walking!"

It seems that most instances of infinitives so far occur after modal verbs, yet here seems to be a different case:

Mån galgav suhkkát sájdev bivdátjit.
“I shall row out to fish pollock.”
Mån
mån
I1SGNOM
PN
galgav
galgav
shall1SGPRES
AUX
suhkkát
suhkkát
rowINF
Vitr
sájdev
sájdev
pollockACCSG
N
bivdátjit
bivdátjit
fishto
 

How should one really annnotate that one? (Dorothee 16:35, 15 December 2008 (CET))


Derivational or inflectional ??

We would like to mention that the supinum is characterised as a derivational suffix in descriptive grammars of LS. It is mentioned among the ordavledninger, the Norwegian word for word derivation.


Strong and weak verb stems

Verbs in LS can either have a weak or a strong stem, so for example the verb wash which has two stem forms

basá and bassi

the 1P, present tense is expressed as basá-v while the 1P past tense is bassi-v.

We will use the tag WEAK and STRONG to distinguish these two different types of verb stems.

Grammatical Changes

LS is changing...

Dá bale bessin oahppe vehi oahpásmuvvat doarromuseajn Narvijkan ja sáme ásadusáj Jåhkåmåhken åvdås vádtsájin.
“ ”
Dá
dá
theseNOMPL
DEM
bale
bale
timeGENSG
N
bessin
bessin
be_allowed3PLPAST
Vitr
oahppe
oahppe
pupilNOMPL
N
vehi
vehi
little
ADVm
oahpásmuvvat
oahpásmuvvat
  get_to_beINF
Vtr
doarromuseajn
doarromuseajn
warNOMSGmuseumwithCOMITSG
N
Narvijkan
Narvijkan
NarvikatINESSSG
Np
ja
ja
and
CONJC
sáme
sáme
SaamiGENSG
N
ásadusáj
ásadusáj
arrangemetmedCOMITPL
N
Jåhkåmåhken
Jåhkåmåhken
river_bendatINESSSG
Np
åvdås
åvdås
before
 
vádtsájin
vádtsájin
leave3PLPAST
Vitr

oahpásmuvvat doarromuseajn

According to grammars of LS - oahpásmuvvat takes ILL, but in the example sentence above it is used with a COMIT case. This leads to a change in meaning:

- muvva-t: used with ILL: the meaning is: get to know (people and concrete things), get accustomed to, get experience with, get familiar with.

(- tuvva-t used with COMIT the meaning is: learn to know). (Kristin)

Translation of place names

In English (as in other languages too - but not so much in Norwegian..) it is quite normal to translate proper names, e.g. München > Munich, Firenze > Florence, København > Copenhagen, etc.

Lule Sami place names have been translated into Norwegian, such as:

Ájluokta-Drag; Gásluokta-Kjøpsvik; Guovdageaidnu-Kautokeino; Divttasvuodna-Tysfjord, etc.

In Norway place names have officially a Sami and a Norwegian name, and the Sami name is used when writing in Sami, while the Norwegian one is used when writing in Norwegian.

As for free translation into English this could mean that we either use the Sami name, since we translate from Sami, or that we use the Norwegian name, since the Norwegian name is also internationally better known.

Which one should it be?

SÁMI - SAMI - SAAMI

(Kristin): I just talked with the employee at the museum at Arran who has the responsibility for the exibitions, Anne Kalstad Mikkelsen. She has checked the spelling of sáme with the Norvegian Sami Parliament. The Sami Parliament has decided that sáme is to be written Sami in English. So the museum has to follow this norm.

So - we should then follow the same norm! (Shouldn't we?)

(Dorothee): Definitely !

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