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Possessive Particles in Runyankore-Rukiga

--Justus Turamyomwe 11:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC) In Runyankore-Rukiga, we use apostophe to combine two phrases under the following cases. 1.When the possessive particle 'of'combines with a noun (apart from proper nouns), there is always a contraction and therefore an apostrophe is used to combine this particle and the proceeding noun. 2.In case of conjunctions, such as 'and' to combine two nouns where the proceeding noun is not a proper noun 3.When combining two phrases.

Mbwenu nkayenzire kureeba abakazi n’abaishiki baitu barikuvuga egaari na pikipiki, ningira ngu obwakare bakaba ni baremwa kutwaza batyo ahabw’okujwara ebiteeteeyi na bodingi, baitu hati obu baingi omuri bo barikujwara empare z’endabada nabo ni babaasa kwevuga aha gaari nari ahari pikipiki, bakareka kufakubi barikuronda abashaija kuba nibo babavuga. “Therefore,i would like to see our women and girls riding bicycles and motorcycles, I think that in the past they couldnot ride because of wearing dresses and gomesi but since most of them now can wear trousers, they can ride themselves on bicycles and motorcycles and stop suffering looking for men to ride them” Mbwenu nkayenzire kureeba abakazi n’abaishiki baitu barikuvuga egaari na pikipiki ningira mbwenu n ka yenzire ku reeba a ba kazi na a ba ishiki ba itu ba ri ku vuga e gaari na pikipiki ni n gira so.CONJ 1SG would want INF see IV CL2 women and IV CL2 girl 3PL our 3PL PRES INF ride IV bicycle and motocycle PRES 1SG think CONJ V V N N PRO V N CONJ N V

ngu mwena obwakare bakaba ni baremwa kutwaza batyo ahabw’okujwara ngu mu ena obwa kare ba ka ba ni ba remwa ku twaza ba tyo ahabwa ku jwara that you.2PL all time ago they.3PL PAST ba.AUX PRES they.3PL failed.PASS INF behave like that because INF dress CONJ CONJ ADV V V V ADV V

ebiteeteeyi na bodingi baitu hati obu baingi omuri bo barikujwara empare e bi teeteeyi na bodingi baitu hati obu ba ingi omuri bo ba ri ku jwara e n pare IV CL8 dress and dress but now when CL2 many in them they.3PL AUX INF dress IV CL10 trousers N CONJ N CONJS ADV CONJC ADV PREP PRON V N

z’endabada nabo ni babaasa kwevuga aha gaari nari ahari pikipiki za e dabada na bo ni ba baasa ku e vuga aha gaari nari ahari pikipiki of.POSS IV typeoftrouser also they.POSS PRES CL2 manage INF REFL ride on bicycle or at motocycle N PRO V PREP N CONJC PREP N

bakareka kufa kubi ku barikuronda abashaija kuba nibo babavuga ba ka reka ku fa ku bi ba ri ku ronda a ba shaija ku ba nibo ba ba vuga 3PL NEG stop INF die INF bad when they.3P PRES INF find IV CL2 man INF be they CL2 OBJ ride V V ADV CONJS V N Vcon PRO V

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See http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/662/, http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/1050/11643/, http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/35/, for details.

However, I have always faced challenges when annotating such phrases in TC. Should the apostrophe be left with the possessive particle 'of' as seen in example http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/1050/11643/or be separated from the noun so that the boundary is maintained instead of combining the two as seen in http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/662/?

To you all

I have observed that there exists inconsistency on how we number our Noun classes in the TC database. I attribute this inconsistency to 2 major grammar books that try to classify Runyankore-Rukiga Noun Classes. i.e. Taylor C. (Nkore-Kiga) and Moris and Kirwan (A Runyankore-Grammar). Can we therefore agree on one form or harmonise the two forms suggested by the above writers so that our database is clean.

--Justus Turamyomwe 14:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Justus, good idea --Dorothee Beermann 15:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

   a  tshimuma        tshi-d-ibu-a              mu nzubu         (kudi muana)  
      fruit           7.SU-eat-pass-I           in house         (by boy)
      ‘the fruit is eaten at home (by the boy)’
  
   b  mu nzubu        mu-d-ibua                 tshimuma         (kudi muana)
      in house        18.SU-eat-pass-I          fruit            (by boy)
     ‘*at home(subj.) is eaten the fruit (by the boy)’

The examples above come from Tshiluba (ISO 639-2 lua) and are taken from a paper by Gloria Cocchi about LOCATIVE CONSTRUCTIONS IN BANTU. Quaderni del Dipartimento di Linguistica - Università di Firenze 10 (2000): 43-54

Chocci uses the example to show, as many linguists before her (see her article for references), that locative nouns in Bantu behave like argument NPs.

How would the above sentence come out in Runyankore-Rukiga? --Dorothee 22:05, 16 September 2009 (CEST)