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Possessive Particles in Runyankore-Rukiga

Hello Justus, I would suggest that you maintain the apostrophe in the first line, since this shows the surface structure on the phrase and the pronunciation/orthography but when it comes to showing the morphological working please remove the apostrophe and show the morphology of each word independently. Consider the following sentence:

You will also notice that in the verb 'heemereireho', the first morpheme is ha- for class 16, but because of sound assimilation, a- changes to e-, (which is the first letter of the root -emerer-). So I think it is important to show all these levels.

--Justus Turamyomwe 11:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC) In Runyankore-Rukiga, we use apostophe to combine two phrases under the following cases. 1.When the possessive particle 'of'combines with a noun (apart from proper nouns), there is always a contraction and therefore an apostrophe is used to combine this particle and the proceeding noun. 2.In case of conjunctions, such as 'and' to combine two nouns where the proceeding noun is not a proper noun

3.When combining two phrases.

Mbwenu nkayenzire kureeba abakazi n’abaishiki baitu barikuvuga egaari na pikipiki, ningira ngu obwakare bakaba ni baremwa kutwaza batyo ahabw’okujwara ebiteeteeyi na bodingi, baitu hati obu baingi omuri bo barikujwara empare z’endabada nabo ni babaasa kwevuga aha gaari nari ahari pikipiki, bakareka kufakubi barikuronda abashaija kuba nibo babavuga.

“Therefore,i would like to see our women and girls riding bicycles and motorcycles, I think that in the past they couldnot ride because of wearing dresses and gomesi but since most of them now can wear trousers, they can ride themselves on bicycles and motorcycles and stop suffering looking for men to ride them”

Mbwenu

mbwenu

soCONJ

CONJ

nkayenzire
n	ka	yenzire
1SG	would	want
V

kureeba
ku	reeba
INF	see
V

abakazi
a	ba	kazi
IV	2	women
N

n’abaishiki
na	a	ba	ishiki
and	IV	2	girl
N

baitu
ba	itu
3PL	our
PN

barikuvuga
ba	ri	ku	vuga
3PL	COP	INF	ride
V

egaari
e	gaari
IV	bicycle
N

na

and

CONJ

pikipiki

motocycle

N

ningira
ni	n	gira
PRES	1SG	think
V

ngu

that

CONJ

mwena
mu	ena
you2PL	all
CONJ

obwakare
obwa	kare
time	ago
ADVm

bakaba
ba	ka	ba
they3PL	PAST	baAUX
V

ni

PRES

baremwa
ba	remwa
they3PL	failedPASS
V

kutwaza
ku	twaza
INF	behave
V

batyo
ba	tyo
like	that
ADVm

ahabw’okujwara
ahabwa	ku	jwara
because	INF	dress
V

ebiteeteeyi
e	bi	teeteeyi
IV	8	dress
N

na

and

CONJ

bodingi

dress

N

baitu

but

CONJS

hati

now

ADVm

obu

when

CONJC

baingi
ba	ingi
2	many
ADVm

omuri

in

PREP

bo

them

PN

barikujwara
ba	ri	ku	jwara
they3PL	COP	INF	dress
V

empare
e	n	pare
IV	10	trousers
N

z’endabada
za	e	dabada
ofPOSS	IV	typeoftrouser
N

nabo
na	bo
also	theyPOSS
PN

ni

PRES

babaasa
ba	baasa
2	manage
V

kwevuga
ku	e	vuga
INF	REFL	ride

aha

on

PREP

gaari

bicycle

N

nari

or

CONJC

ahari

at

PREP

pikipiki

motocycle

N

bakareka
ba	ka	reka
3PL	NEG	stop
V

kufa
ku	fa
INF	die
V

kubi
ku	bi
INF	bad
ADVm

ku

CONJS

barikuronda
ba	ri	ku	ronda
they3PL	COP	INF	find
V

abashaija
a	ba	shaija
IV	2	man
N

kuba
ku	ba
INF	be
Vcon

nibo

they

PN

babavuga
ba	ba	vuga
2	OBJ	ride
V

However, I have always faced challenges when annotating such phrases in TC. Should the apostrophe be left with the possessive particle 'of' as seen in example http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/1050/11643/or be separated from the noun so that the boundary is maintained instead of combining the two as seen in http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/662/?

To you all

I have observed that there exists inconsistency on how we number our Noun classes in the TC database. I attribute this inconsistency to 2 major grammar books that try to classify Runyankore-Rukiga Noun Classes. i.e. Taylor C. (Nkore-Kiga) and Moris and Kirwan (A Runyankore-Grammar). Can we therefore agree on one form or harmonise the two forms suggested by the above writers so that our database is clean.

--Justus Turamyomwe 14:54, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Justus, good idea --Dorothee Beermann 15:20, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

   a  tshimuma        tshi-d-ibu-a              mu nzubu         (kudi muana)  
      fruit           7.SU-eat-pass-I           in house         (by boy)
      ‘the fruit is eaten at home (by the boy)’
  
   b  mu nzubu        mu-d-ibua                 tshimuma         (kudi muana)
      in house        18.SU-eat-pass-I          fruit            (by boy)
     ‘*at home(subj.) is eaten the fruit (by the boy)’

The examples above come from Tshiluba (ISO 639-2 lua) and are taken from a paper by Gloria Cocchi about LOCATIVE CONSTRUCTIONS IN BANTU. Quaderni del Dipartimento di Linguistica - Università di Firenze 10 (2000): 43-54

Chocci uses the example to show, as many linguists before her (see her article for references), that locative nouns in Bantu behave like argument NPs.

How would the above sentence come out in Runyankore-Rukiga? --Dorothee 22:05, 16 September 2009 (CEST)

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 == Possessive Particles in Runyankore-Rukiga ==
+Hello Justus,
+I would suggest that you maintain the apostrophe in the first line, since this shows the surface structure on the phrase and the pronunciation/orthography but when it comes to showing the morphological working please remove the apostrophe and show the morphology of each word independently. Consider the following sentence:
+<Phrase>9757</Phrase>
+You will also notice that in the verb 'heemereireho', the first morpheme is ha- for class 16, but because of sound assimilation, a- changes to e-, (which is the first letter of the root -emerer-). So I think it is important to show all these levels.
 --[[User:Justus Turamyomwe|Justus Turamyomwe]] 11:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC) In Runyankore-Rukiga, we use apostophe to combine two phrases under the following cases.
 .When the possessive particle 'of'combines with a noun (apart from proper nouns), there is always a contraction and therefore an apostrophe is used to combine this particle and the proceeding noun.
 .In case of conjunctions,  such as 'and' to combine two nouns where the proceeding noun is not a proper noun
+<Phrase>341</Phrase>
 .When combining two  phrases.
--------
+<Phrase>9497</Phrase>
-Mbwenu nkayenzire kureeba abakazi n’abaishiki baitu barikuvuga egaari na pikipiki, ningira ngu obwakare bakaba ni baremwa kutwaza batyo ahabw’okujwara ebiteeteeyi na bodingi, baitu hati obu baingi omuri bo barikujwara empare z’endabada nabo ni babaasa kwevuga aha gaari nari ahari pikipiki, bakareka kufakubi barikuronda abashaija kuba nibo babavuga.
-“Therefore,i would like to see our women and girls riding bicycles and motorcycles, I think that in the past they couldnot ride because of wearing dresses and gomesi but since most of them now can wear trousers, they can ride themselves on bicycles and motorcycles and stop suffering looking for men to ride them”
-Mbwenu 	nkayenzire 	kureeba 	abakazi 	n’abaishiki 	baitu 	barikuvuga 	egaari 	na 	pikipiki 	ningira
-mbwenu 	n 	ka 	yenzire 	ku 	reeba 	a 	ba 	kazi 	na 	a 	ba 	ishiki 	ba 	itu 	ba 	ri 	ku 	vuga 	e 	gaari 	na 	pikipiki 	ni 	n 	gira
-so.CONJ 	1SG 	would 	want 	INF 	see 	IV 	CL2 	women 	and 	IV 	CL2 	girl 	3PL 	our 	3PL 	PRES 	INF 	ride 	IV 	bicycle 	and 	motocycle 	PRES 	1SG 	think
-CONJ 	V 	V 	N 	N 	PRO 	V 	N 	CONJ 	N 	V
-ngu 	mwena 	obwakare 	bakaba 	ni 	baremwa 	kutwaza 	batyo 	ahabw’okujwara
-ngu 	mu 	ena 	obwa 	kare 	ba 	ka 	ba 	ni 	ba 	remwa 	ku 	twaza 	ba 	tyo 	ahabwa 	ku 	jwara
-that 	you.2PL 	all 	time 	ago 	they.3PL 	PAST 	ba.AUX 	PRES 	they.3PL 	failed.PASS 	INF 	behave 	like 	that 	because 	INF 	dress
-CONJ 	CONJ 	ADV 	V 	 	V 	V 	ADV 	V
-ebiteeteeyi 	na 	bodingi 	baitu 	hati 	obu 	baingi 	omuri 	bo 	barikujwara 	empare
-e 	bi 	teeteeyi 	na 	bodingi 	baitu 	hati 	obu 	ba 	ingi 	omuri 	bo 	ba 	ri 	ku 	jwara 	e 	n 	pare
-IV 	CL8 	dress 	and 	dress 	but 	now 	when 	CL2 	many 	in 	them 	they.3PL 	AUX 	INF 	dress 	IV 	CL10 	trousers
-N 	CONJ 	N 	CONJS 	ADV 	CONJC 	ADV 	PREP 	PRON 	V 	N
-z’endabada 	nabo 	ni 	babaasa 	kwevuga 	aha 	gaari 	nari 	ahari 	pikipiki
-za 	e 	dabada 	na 	bo 	ni 	ba 	baasa 	ku 	e 	vuga 	aha 	gaari 	nari 	ahari 	pikipiki
-of.POSS 	IV 	typeoftrouser 	also 	they.POSS 	PRES 	CL2 	manage 	INF 	REFL 	ride 	on 	bicycle 	or 	at 	motocycle
-N 	PRO 	 	V 	 	PREP 	N 	CONJC 	PREP 	N
-bakareka 	 	 	kufa 	kubi 	ku 	barikuronda 	abashaija 	kuba 	nibo 	babavuga
-ba 	ka 	reka 	 	 	ku 	fa 	ku 	bi 	 	ba 	ri 	ku 	ronda 	a 	ba 	shaija 	ku 	ba 	nibo 	ba 	ba 	vuga
-PL 	NEG 	stop 	 	 	INF 	die 	INF 	bad 	when 	they.3P 	PRES 	INF 	find 	IV 	CL2 	man 	INF 	be 	they 	CL2 	OBJ 	ride
-V 	 	 	V 	ADV 	CONJS 	V 	N 	Vcon 	PRO 	V
-Generated in TypeCraft.
-See http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/662/, http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/1050/11643/, http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/35/, for details.
 However, I have always faced challenges when annotating such phrases in TC. Should the apostrophe be left with the possessive particle 'of' as seen in example http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/1050/11643/or be separated from the noun  so that the boundary is maintained instead of combining the two  as seen in http://www.typecraft.org/TCEditor/662/?