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* so far we have pronominal forms characterised as absolutive and ergative, straight and oblique. What is the relation between straight pronoun forms and the rest?
 
* so far we have pronominal forms characterised as absolutive and ergative, straight and oblique. What is the relation between straight pronoun forms and the rest?
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* Word form pronominals are complex units. What does their formation tell us about the semantics of the proclitics?
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* Word form pronominals are complex units. What does their formation tell us about the semantics of the proclitics.
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'''The wikipedia describes the Ilocano determiner system as follows'''':
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* Does that description square with what we found in the Bloomfield article?
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=== Articles ===
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Ilokano has two sets of articles, common and personal. Personal articles are used for people, names, and personal titles. Common articles are used with all other nouns (including names of countries and cities).
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{| class="wikitable" style="margin:auto:" align="center" style="text-align:center"
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|+caption | '''Common'''
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|'''Case'''
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|'''Singular'''
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|'''Plural'''
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|-
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|'''Core'''
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|ti
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|dagiti
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|-
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|'''Oblique'''
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|iti
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|kadagiti
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|}
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{| class="wikitable" style="margin:auto:" align="center" style="text-align:center"
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|+caption | '''Personal'''
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|'''Case'''
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|'''Singular'''
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|'''Plural'''
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|-
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|'''Core'''
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|ni
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|da
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|-
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|'''Oblique'''
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|kenni
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|kada
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|}
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Kinship terms such as "mother" or "uncle" can take either set of articles. Preceded by the common article, the term is more generalized or conceptual; preceded by a personal article, the reference is more specific (the speaker refers to a member of his or her family).
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'''Napan ti ama idiay eskuelaan ti anakna.'''
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''The father went to his child's school.''
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'''Napan ni ama idiay eskuelaan ni kabsat.'''
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''Father went to sister's/brother's school.''
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The same can also be said of titles or offices.
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'''Nakitak ni maestra idiay padaya.'''
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''I saw teacher at the party.
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(referring to the speaker's teacher in school)''
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'''Nakitak ti maestra idiay padaya.'''
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''I saw a teacher at the party.
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(any teacher)''

Revision as of 06:58, 4 September 2013

  • so far we have pronominal forms characterised as absolutive and ergative, straight and oblique. What is the relation between straight pronoun forms and the rest?
  • Word form pronominals are complex units. What does their formation tell us about the semantics of the proclitics.


The wikipedia describes the Ilocano determiner system as follows':

  • Does that description square with what we found in the Bloomfield article?


Articles

Ilokano has two sets of articles, common and personal. Personal articles are used for people, names, and personal titles. Common articles are used with all other nouns (including names of countries and cities).

Common
Case Singular Plural
Core ti dagiti
Oblique iti kadagiti
Personal
Case Singular Plural
Core ni da
Oblique kenni kada

Kinship terms such as "mother" or "uncle" can take either set of articles. Preceded by the common article, the term is more generalized or conceptual; preceded by a personal article, the reference is more specific (the speaker refers to a member of his or her family). 

Napan ti ama idiay eskuelaan ti anakna.
The father went to his child's school.

Napan ni ama idiay eskuelaan ni kabsat.
Father went to sister's/brother's school.

The same can also be said of titles or offices. 

Nakitak ni maestra idiay padaya.
I saw teacher at the party.
(referring to the speaker's teacher in school)

Nakitak ti maestra idiay padaya.
I saw a teacher at the party.
(any teacher)
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